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dorsetbred Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 30, 2009 Posts: 18 Location: Poole, Dorset
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: Via135 & the LCZ |
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Well this has certainly been a ride of peaks & troughs. Today I received this from TT...
"I would like to inform you that currently we do not have London Congestion zone facility.
Thank you for your suggestions. Customers like you always help us to improve our product. I have forwarded your valuable feedback to our concern department. They may update this information. We take our customer’s feedback very seriously. However, we do not know the exact time frame."
So how do you know exactly where the LCZ begins?
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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What exactly is the issue? The LCZ is treated as a set of Toll Roads on my
740 and iPhone app with the option to avoid. Is this not so on the Via135??
LCZ POIs are available from PGPSW.
If you post the question you asked TomTom their response might make a bit more sense to me. |
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dorsetbred Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 30, 2009 Posts: 18 Location: Poole, Dorset
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:50 am Post subject: |
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PaulB2005 wrote: | What exactly is the issue? The LCZ is treated as a set of Toll Roads on my
740 and iPhone app with the option to avoid.
LCZ POIs are available from PGPSW.
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That's great info Thank you I will take a look and download it. |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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But Paul's point was that you shouldn't NEED those POIs.
Our confusion with your post (and especially the quote from TomTom!) is that just about every TomTom DOES handle the London Congestion Zone and does it pretty well!
If I plan a route that starts, ends or goes through the Congestion Zone, then I always get a warning about it on screen and an option to avoid the zone if possible.
Are you not seeing that?
And what was the question you asked TomTom which produced such a strange reply?
(Also, do be aware that the PGPSW LCZ POIs have not been updated since April 2007 and I think the zone has changed size at least once since then. In addition, a POI file can only log entry and exit points, the TomTom system covers the entire active zone as an AREA on the map). _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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dorsetbred Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 30, 2009 Posts: 18 Location: Poole, Dorset
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so a bit more investigation I have set a destination inside the LCZ, to be warned "Destination is on a toll road" but it has no option to avoid this.
I then set it for the middle of Vauxhall bridge to be warned the same thing.
I then dropped slightly away from the bridge & no warning.
I could see nothing on the maps to suggest a toll road.
However the quest is over, so now I'm off to delete the loads of unwanted POI's that TT stick on this as a "default".
Oh and my question to them in the first instance was "I'd like to know if the London Congestion zone is loaded..."
Thank you both for your feedback & assistance. |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Have a look through the settings.
Check you have Toll Roads set to ASK.
Quote: | OK, so a bit more investigation I have set a destination inside the LCZ, to be warned "Destination is on a toll road" but it has no option to avoid this. |
If the destination is INSIDE the LCZ how could you ever avoid it?
Quote: | I then set it for the middle of Vauxhall bridge to be warned the same thing. |
Possible error that includes Vauxhall Bridge INSIDE the LCZ instead of just outside it. Submit a correction at the TomTom MapReporter website.
Quote: | I then dropped slightly away from the bridge & no warning. |
Because it routed you around the LCZ and so avoided the LCZ??? If so there would be no warning to give. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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PaulB2005 wrote: | Quote: | I then set it for the middle of Vauxhall bridge to be warned the same thing. |
| Can you avoid the LCZ when you are actually crossing Vauxhall bridge then? I think a U Turn would be frowned upon |
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dorsetbred Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 30, 2009 Posts: 18 Location: Poole, Dorset
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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PaulB2005 wrote: | Have a look through the settings.
Check you have Toll Roads set to ASK.
Yes it is.
If the destination is INSIDE the LCZ how could you ever avoid it?
Just basing my comment on that of Andy's
Quote: | I then set it for the middle of Vauxhall bridge to be warned the same thing. |
Possible error that includes Vauxhall Bridge INSIDE the LCZ instead of just outside it. Submit a correction at the TomTom MapReporter website.
Quote: | I then dropped slightly away from the bridge & no warning. |
Because it routed you around the LCZ and so avoided the LCZ??? If so there would be no warning to give. |
Not actually around it as I was coming towards it from the SW.
Once again, many thanks for your comprehensive feedback, it's very helpful. |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | PaulB2005 wrote: | Quote: | I then set it for the middle of Vauxhall bridge to be warned the same thing. |
| Can you avoid the LCZ when you are actually crossing Vauxhall bridge then? I think a U Turn would be frowned upon |
Vauxhall Bridge is NOT in the LCZ. Hence i said
Quote: | Possible error that includes Vauxhall Bridge INSIDE the LCZ instead of just outside it. |
You can cross Vauxhall Bridge in either direction and not enter the LCZ....
Vauxhall Bridge is botom right of this pic -http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/congestioncharge/whereandwhen/assets/images/DetailMapECCZ.gif |
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dorsetbred Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 30, 2009 Posts: 18 Location: Poole, Dorset
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | PaulB2005 wrote: | Quote: | I then set it for the middle of Vauxhall bridge to be warned the same thing. |
| Can you avoid the LCZ when you are actually crossing Vauxhall bridge then? I think a U Turn would be frowned upon |
According to maps I've looked at VAuxhall Bridge isnt in the LCZ, but then again I don't live in London so bow to those who know better.
Many Thanks. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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My question was based on ignorance. It seems, from what others have said, that the LCZ starts just the other side of the bridge. My question was that once you have started to cross the bridge, are you committed to the LCZ? If so it is reasonable to show the bridge within the LCZ if by crossing it you are committed. |
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Oldboy Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 10643 Location: Suffolk, UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Vauxhall Bridge Road is not in the LCZ.
This is a detail from the map of the removal of the Western Extension. _________________ Richard
TT 910 V7.903: Europe Map v1045
TT Via 135 App 12.075: Europe Map v1135 |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | My question was based on ignorance. It seems, from what others have said, that the LCZ starts just the other side of the bridge. My question was that once you have started to cross the bridge, are you committed to the LCZ? If so it is reasonable to show the bridge within the LCZ if by crossing it you are committed. |
No matter which way you word the question Vauxhall Bridge is still NOT in the LCZ. You can travel in either direction on the bridge and not enter the LCZ. Have a look at the maps linked in this thread. It's simple once you see why. |
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