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France To Get 60 Private Hidden Mobile Speed Cameras
Article by: rob brady
Date: 23 May 2019
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Three French regions - Brittany, Pays de la Loire and Centre-Val de Loire - are set to get hidden mobile speed cameras in 2020.
Following a successful trial in Normandy in 2018, sixty automatic cameras will be operated by private firms from unmarked cars.
The French government commented: "Radar cars will operate on routes and time slots set by the State services according to local accident criteria. They will have equipment capable of reading speed limit signs allowing the radar to operate independently, without any intervention from the vehicle driver."
They added: "For speed measurements of moving vehicles, higher tolerance limits will be used."
French police already have 383 mobile speed cameras in unmarked cars, but do not have the resources to make best use of them. They are only operated for an average of one hour a day - hence the decision to use private contractors.
Thousands of fixed speed cameras across France were damaged as a result of direct-action protests against the French government's policy of reducing the speed limit from 90kph to 80kph.
Whilst the number of tickets will have reduced dramatically due to the vandalism, it's likely that when the new hidden mobiles are in place, many more drivers will be issued with tickets than before all the trouble started.
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 Posted by TieJustice on Fri May 24, 2019 7:05 am |
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I personally don’t care. They can put as many cameras as they like. The only people that will complain about this is the ones that have no respect for others on and off the road.
As I use a camera on all my vehicles it would show IF I had been speeding so they can put as many hidden cameras as they like. It would not make any difference to me.
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| Posted by Rondeco on Fri May 24, 2019 7:51 am |
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So there ner ner!
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| Posted by DJL62 on Fri May 24, 2019 9:26 am |
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If speed cameras are supposed to be about road safety, what is the justification for not for being open about their use - i.e. using marked vehicles.
The use of private contractors, who will need to make a profit for the contract to be viable, means that there is an element of income generation involved. What safeguards are built in to ensure that these privateers will be correctly operating, maintaining and calibrating equipment so that alleged offenders can challenge evidence?
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| Posted by ScaniaUltimate on Fri May 24, 2019 10:33 am |
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| Rondeco Wrote: | | So there ner ner! |
I must admit this comment catches the tone of post#2 perfectly but I'm going to add a little more substance regardless.
I care & it is a big deal.
As someone who has had to fight a false charge of using a mobile phone whilst driving I can assure you that being innocent is not the easy ride TieJustice believes it to be. Although I was successful in my case it was 10 months of extra stress & inconvenience I could have done without.
When individual police officers who have no vested interest in the money they are collecting make false claims then I can assure you employees of private companies whose profit is made by the number of fines they collect will do so more.
Due to the pressures applied by the threat of increased penalties & charges innocent drivers will accept a charge rather than take on the extra risks of fighting a case. Once we put these powers of prosecution into the hands of private companies the innocent will be targeted too. Therefore even the (never yet seen) perfect driver will one day find himself caring that we allow private companies to chase money where the effort & cost required to prove your innocence is greater than the penalty.
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| Posted by MaFt on Fri May 24, 2019 1:32 pm |
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| TieJustice Wrote: | | I personally don’t care. They can put as many cameras as they like. The only people that will complain about this is the ones that have no respect for others on and off the road. |
I'm not sure I agree to be honest. These are private companies - a company exists to make money. How many corners will be cut to make that money? How much close to the speed limit will they decide to issue the tickets at in order to make that money?
Technically 1kmh over the limit is speeding so will that become the norm for these private companies to issue tickets at? What regulations are in place to stop them from doing that? Are the private companies still subject to stringent tests and certification and calibration of their equipment?
Private companies need to make money - they don't care about road safety...
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| Posted by domlaptop on Fri May 24, 2019 1:57 pm |
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| TieJustice Wrote: | | As I use a camera on all my vehicles it would show IF I had been speeding so they can put as many hidden cameras as they like. It would not make any difference to me. |
What are you saying? Who is driving all your vehicles? It sounds like you are a fleet operator monitoring your own drivers' behaviour.
I approve of the current situation where the location of cameras help road safety by being loacted in accident black spot, or similar. Usually then, only if you are blind or daft, should you get caught. It is good that local authorities, with their understanding of local features, help drivers by ensuring that they know about dangerous bits of road that appear to be innocent.
Covert cameras are, perhaps, for policing speed limits, as a tax. If such control is really needed, there are better ways, like the preventing cars from speeding instead of the drivers. Note that I do not approve of that either.
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| Posted by M8TJT on Fri May 24, 2019 2:18 pm |
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You only have to look at private 'parking enforcement' companies behaviour as an example of what happens. Still that nice Mr. Corbyn will probably nationalise the along with all the other stuff he intends to, and then they will employ far too many people, work a two day week and make massive losses to the taxpayer. Isn't life wonderful.
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| Posted by Tom59 on Fri May 24, 2019 4:36 pm |
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I can remember when I lived in Germany thirty years ago.
Deutches Telekom had “roadworks” at the side of the road, with a camera in the back of the van and a Police car 50m up the road.
These Europeans are very sneaky!
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| Posted by Snudge on Fri May 24, 2019 7:13 pm |
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| DJL62 Wrote: | If speed cameras are supposed to be about road safety, what is the justification for not for being open about their use - i.e. using marked vehicles.
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I quote from THIS article which clarifies the issue - it's about raising money.
| Quote: | Bedfordshire Police threatened to switch on automatic speed cameras on a stretch of the M1 and to fine any motorist who exceeds 70mph.
Olly Martins, the Police and Crime Commissioner for the area, claimed he had been left no alternative but to introduce the system, because his force was facing financial ruin.
Mr Martins claimed his force could raise up to £1 million a year, allowing him to pay for 25 front-line officers. |
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| Posted by TieJustice on Thu May 30, 2019 6:41 am |
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No I own and drive my own cars and motorcycles. I have enabled the speed on all my devices. No one drives my vehicles only me so I’m not spying on anyone but my self. I find the only people that complain about speed cameras or using a mobile device are the ones that brake the law.
If I was a company that had drivers for me I would still have them in stalled.
Any way if you can’t see a big yellow box and a warning sign and if you look online to find out where and when there out. Well you must be a inconsiderate person.
When you see the news about over 380 speeding tickets for just Saturday and Sunday as there where temporary travlo do to road works. On a 40mph road and one was going over 103mph.
I say bring more, no more stupid fines get rid of the driver that abuse the roads just so they can text there mates. Show off by speeding.
And yes a support the police on bad driving and will give my video to them if I see a dangerous driving. SNAP need your video so it can ban dangerous drivers.
You can now all troll this.
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| Posted by Engine_Counter on Thu May 30, 2019 9:05 am |
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If you don't speed or break the law then it doesn't matter whether the speed camera is highly visible or hidden.
Personally I think hidden cameras are a good idea, they might catch some of the idiots who drive at 60 in a 30 limit, overtaking like lunatics, and then slamming their breaks on and cutting in when the next camera comes into view. These are the people we should be aiming to stop.
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