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68 Percent Rise In Speed Awareness Courses In Wales
Article by: rob brady
Date: 13 Nov 2011
Rather than incurring penalty points on their licences, an increasing number of drivers caught speeding in Wales are now attending speed awareness courses.
Wales Online reports a substantial 68 percent increase last year in offenders opting for a course despite a fall in numbers of those actually breaking speed limits.
The £85 course fee, paid by nearly 47,000 people in Wales last year, is retained at local level by the Wales Road Casualty Reduction Partnership (Gosafe.org), allowing millions to be pumped back into road safety in Wales with some of the revenue being used to help maintain speed cameras.
Money raised through the accompanying speeding fines bypasses Wales and goes directly to central government.
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 Posted by Guivre46 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:48 pm |
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I wonder how they pitch this? In any speed limit area there are places where you can only proceed safely at a lower speed than the limit, equally there are some places where you can safely go at a speed faster than the limit. There are some 40mph lanes in Dorset, where 25 mph is more than enough [other places as well, I'm sure]. A truly alert driver does not need a set limit. I'm afraid that it is not me though.
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| Posted by TieJustice on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:37 pm |
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HOW TYPICAL, the government lining there pockets as per norm
there should be 0 tolerance for speeding. I use the road every day in wales and there is what some call just above the limit say 5 MPH in a 30 and there's STUPID IDIOTS that go 60 in a 30 I don't give a HOOT about them doing that speed BUT i feel VERY sorry for the person's that there going to KILL or INJURE as they have no regard for there life or anyone.
When the government invest in some plane cars with fitted speed cameras like in the US maybe then will some one not have to die becos the governments want for more cash.
banning them is a wast of time as there just going to get any car no tax insurance they don't care. car/van/bike should be crushed or if of any value should go to auction and the proses given to victims and JUST FINE THE HELL OUT OF THEM.
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| Posted by Andy_P on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:48 pm |
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| TieJustice Wrote: |
there should be 0 tolerance for speeding. |
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Same old arguments....
Speeding per se doesn't kill, excessive speed for a given situation can.
Get rid of some of the ridiculous recent speed reductions on major roads (often done for purely political reasons), put the NSL upto 80mph and THEN I might agree with you
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| Posted by MaFt on Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:48 pm |
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| TieJustice Wrote: | | there should be 0 tolerance for speeding. I use the road every day in wales and there is what some call just above the limit say 5 MPH in a 30 and there's STUPID IDIOTS that go 60 in a 30 I don't give a HOOT about them doing that speed |
There is a threshold for the speed awareness courses. not sure exactly but something like anything over 35 in a 30 means you cannot opt for the course and must pay the fine and get points.
MaFt
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| Posted by DennisN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:17 pm |
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| MaFt Wrote: | | TieJustice Wrote: | | there should be 0 tolerance for speeding. I use the road every day in wales and there is what some call just above the limit say 5 MPH in a 30 and there's STUPID IDIOTS that go 60 in a 30 I don't give a HOOT about them doing that speed |
There is a threshold for the speed awareness courses. not sure exactly but something like anything over 35 in a 30 means you cannot opt for the course and must pay the fine and get points.
MaFt |
No maft, over 35 in a 30 limit is "normal" speeding and you get a ticket or speed awareness course for it (I think you'll not hear of anybody nicked for 35 - that's the 10% plus 2 tolerance guideline) - one of my relatives recently (and previously several times!!) was done for 36 in a 30 zone. BUT over something (40/45?) in a 30 limit is deffo ticket and points. And you don't get a second go at speed awareness courses - after one course you're into points and fines without option - my relative had one the previous time. | Quote: | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Same old arguments....
Speeding per se doesn't kill |
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Same old arguments....
Tell that to the mother of a child killed by some maniac doing 36 in a 30 zone (when his/her speedo is actually reading 40)! I don't care a hoot about those daft enough to speed on the open roads - let them kill themselves if they can't handle it. But those who exceed the limit in a built up area should suffer all that TieJustice suggests.
And whilst we're at it, drop the urban speed limit from 30 to 20 - blanket, all over, no exceptions.
Sledge hammers per se will kill you if they are applied to your head, not just if they are applied to your head in a given situation!
PS My apologies to all the MapShare downloaders - I altered the M4 at Newport back up to 70mph yesterday and kindly allowed it to share for you all. So now the entire M4 shows 71mph on my Carminat. 
Dennis
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| Posted by Andy_P on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:24 pm |
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| DennisN Wrote: | | Quote: | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Same old arguments....
Speeding per se doesn't kill |
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Same old arguments....
Tell that to the mother of a child killed by some maniac doing 36 in a 30 zone ... |
Woah! Hang on....
The rest of my quote said "excessive speed for a given situation can. "
I'm in complete agreement that a lot of residential roads should be reduced to 20mph (as has already happened in my London borough), so I think we're on the same side here....
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| Posted by M8TJT on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:29 pm |
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| MaFt Wrote: | | There is a threshold for the speed awareness courses. not sure exactly but something like anything over 35 in a 30 means you cannot opt for the course and must pay the fine and get points. |
Under 35 in a 30 and you're effectively not speeding according to the 10% + 2mph 'rule'. I have seen the figures somewhere, but can't lay my hands on them just now. Yes I have, try here about half way down the page. But of course, the actual speed will depend on the local constabulary. Remember the cash from the courses goes locally and the cash from fines goes centrally. So I wonder how high the 'local' limits will be to generate as much cash as possible 
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| Posted by 253 on Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:35 pm |
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Slightly off topic, but interesting.
Islington council in London are declaring the entire borough a 20mph zone.
Think they have a tussle with TFL (Transport for London) in the offing about whether they can do it or not.
Apparently they are not going to police it, just like they don't police the 30mph, they are not going to build speed humps, and I don't believe they are going to install cameras.
The council say that the average speed through the borough at present is around 15 mph, but some drivers speed at over 40mph.
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