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Joined: 20/08/2002 11:51:57 Posts: 3859 Location: Essex, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject:
Darren wrote:
bedbug wrote:
So what I see today with Google Maps on the 3G, with my location periodically wandering away from the course of the mapped road, is automatically compensated for by TBT solutions? Clever! Explains why, when I disobey 'Doris', she takes a while to catch on!
TBT? Lock to Road is common amongst ALL road nav solutions. GPS is good but it can still wander by 10m or so hence the lock to road function smoothes out this error.
And of course helps to smooth out map errors or optimisations keeping you on track where they think the road is. _________________ Mike Barrett
Joined: 20/08/2002 11:51:57 Posts: 3859 Location: Essex, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:
The whole of the Apple keynote can be viewed here. If you are interested in the TomTom section just skip forward to 1h22m when Peter-Frans introduces the dock and app.
In addition to Darren's list of features Peter-Frans also mentions a microphone.
My speculation is that TomTom have implemented an external GPS in the dock. It doesnt make sense for an external antenna as there is no cabling or connector for it on the 31 pin interface. So it must be either some form of external GPS repeater or more likely just the external GPS.
Now it will be interesting to see if TomTom allow the features of the dock to be used outside the Navigation application or if they are specific to TomTom services.
In the presentation there is mention of IQ routing which of course all the new devices have, and none of any of the connected or live services. I assume that these may be available as in-app purchases at a later date.
I am currently trying to arrange a meeting with the team and TomTom on June 19th, for a demo and discussion so any questions you may have (about the iPhone implementation) please post in this thread and I will see if we can prise the answers from them.
Interestingly there is a possibility that if TomTom get this right in terms of pricing and functionality that they could actually kill off the PND market. Why buy an expensive dedicated device when you can get a similar one that has the same (or better) features but does so much more? The main stumbling blocks for the iPhone have been poor audio output, a below par GPS implementation and power, all of these appear to have been addressed in the new OS/devices so the floodgates may well be wide open for the iPhone (not just TomTom) to capture the navigation market. _________________ Mike Barrett
Joined: May 10, 2006 Posts: 484 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject:
MikeB wrote:
...so the floodgates may well be wide open for the iPhone (not just TomTom) to capture the navigation market.
TT's share price is up 15% on the day, so the markets seem to like it. _________________ iPhone 4/4S (iOS 5.1.1); TomTom Western Europe (1.10)/USA & Canada (1.10); CoPilot for iPhone (8), UK mapping, Mac OS 10.8/XP Pro/Win7; Tongue firmly in cheek!
Joined: May 10, 2006 Posts: 484 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject:
Navigon rumoured to be preparing to release MobileNavigator for iPhone by the end of the month Here. _________________ iPhone 4/4S (iOS 5.1.1); TomTom Western Europe (1.10)/USA & Canada (1.10); CoPilot for iPhone (8), UK mapping, Mac OS 10.8/XP Pro/Win7; Tongue firmly in cheek!
Joined: Feb 16, 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Florida, USA
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject:
It's not a rumor, Officially announced, and only one of many apps rolling out, several to be available before the TT one. _________________ Garmin 1695 / 255 / 760 w/MSN - Droid w/Google nav + Navigon - Navigon 8100T - Dakota10 - GPSMap76C - GeoMate Jr.
Joined: 20/08/2002 11:51:57 Posts: 3859 Location: Essex, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject:
bedbug wrote:
Navigon rumoured to be preparing to release MobileNavigator for iPhone by the end of the month Here.
We have the Navigon PR and are working with it now. Quite a few companies seem to be talking about TBT Apps now. I saw a number of them at Mobile World Conference in Barcelona this year, and know off record of a lot in the pipeline.
Maybe today is the day the world of navigation changed. _________________ Mike Barrett
I'd like to know if "buddies" will work with it. That would be neat, to link to other iPhones and the car satnav. Plus is there going to be a walk mode?
Joined: 20/08/2002 11:51:57 Posts: 3859 Location: Essex, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject:
gatorguy6996 wrote:
It's not a rumor, Officially announced, and only one of many apps rolling out, several to be available before the TT one.
In fact there is no roll out date for the TomTom solution yet, but any turn by turn application that relies on the internal GPS and the built in speaker is not going to be a good experience.
Maybe there is a market for an amplified dock solution, but even then the GPS still need to be beefed up a bit. _________________ Mike Barrett
Joined: Feb 16, 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Florida, USA
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject:
Hey Mike, how do I get on your "staff". I'm sure you could use a willing NA rep. Half-kidding of course.
Looking forward to your opinions of some of the other announced and soon to nav apps for the iPhone, in their appropriate threads. Apologizing for my slight veer off-topic.
Back to the TomTom app, they do have a leg-up on any other solution for now with the on-board gps chip and likely active dock for powering the whole shebang. Hopefully they can keep the pricing reasonable so as to properly compete. _________________ Garmin 1695 / 255 / 760 w/MSN - Droid w/Google nav + Navigon - Navigon 8100T - Dakota10 - GPSMap76C - GeoMate Jr.
Joined: 20/08/2002 11:51:57 Posts: 3859 Location: Essex, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject:
Darren wrote:
MikeB wrote:
In fact there is no roll out date for the TomTom solution yet,
Uh there is! June 17th to coincide with OS 3.0 availability.
:d this is fun. Darren and I have different contacts within TomTom that seem to be giving different information. It certainly makes life interesting... _________________ Mike Barrett
Joined: Feb 16, 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Florida, USA
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject:
Darren wrote:
MikeB wrote:
In fact there is no roll out date for the TomTom solution yet,
Uh there is! June 17th to coincide with OS 3.0 availability.
Darren I obviously missed the availability date announcement. Previously I had understood it wouldn't be ready for purchase for a few weeks, giving some others a chance to jump first. My mistake. Thanks for pointing it out. _________________ Garmin 1695 / 255 / 760 w/MSN - Droid w/Google nav + Navigon - Navigon 8100T - Dakota10 - GPSMap76C - GeoMate Jr.
Joined: May 10, 2006 Posts: 484 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject:
Darren wrote:
MikeB wrote:
In fact there is no roll out date for the TomTom solution yet,
Uh there is! June 17th to coincide with OS 3.0 availability.
Now now guys, no need for fisty-cuffs. I read,
TomTom WWDC PR wrote:
The TomTom navigation application for iPhone will be available via the Apple iTunes App Store, following the release of Apple’s OS 3.0 operating system. Details regarding pricing and availability for both the application and the TomTom car kit for iPhone will be made available in advance of the products’ launch later this summer.
Hopefully that means the same day, but it doesn't specifically state that; in fact, it says both products will be available later this summer! I fear the software will need to wait on the hardware. _________________ iPhone 4/4S (iOS 5.1.1); TomTom Western Europe (1.10)/USA & Canada (1.10); CoPilot for iPhone (8), UK mapping, Mac OS 10.8/XP Pro/Win7; Tongue firmly in cheek!
Joined: 20/08/2002 11:51:57 Posts: 3859 Location: Essex, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject:
bedbug wrote:
Darren wrote:
MikeB wrote:
In fact there is no roll out date for the TomTom solution yet,
Uh there is! June 17th to coincide with OS 3.0 availability.
Now now guys, no need for fisty-cuffs. I read,
TomTom WWDC PR wrote:
The TomTom navigation application for iPhone will be available via the Apple iTunes App Store, following the release of Apple’s OS 3.0 operating system. Details regarding pricing and availability for both the application and the TomTom car kit for iPhone will be made available in advance of the products’ launch later this summer.
Hopefully that means the same day, but it doesn't specifically state that; in fact, it says both products will be available later this summer! I fear the software will need to wait on the hardware.
Having discussed this with Darren we believe that there may be 2 release dates one for the application and one for the dock, this could be why we are getting different info from our sources.
Alternatively it could just be that nobody really knows _________________ Mike Barrett
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