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Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:16 am Post subject:
As I have no desire for spoken warnings myself, I've never got round to doing it (although before I made that last post I did download the Gatso 60 and the Mobile 70 and chop them together to produce Gatso 70 - it only took 30 seconds, but then I'm a sound editor by trade so it's second nature to me ).
However, if people really need someone else to do it for them I'm quite happy to do it, although in the back of my mind is the worry that I would be violating some copyright of PGPSW's as (unlike other sources) they have never said that their files are in the public domain.
Given the OK from PGPSW, I would love to produce a full set (with the right filenames IF they will host them on the main site.
Joined: May 24, 2006 Posts: 167 Location: East of East & then some.....
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject:
I'm guessing that the old chk file limitations is the main reason for the number of available files being as it is. As you know, there are a finite number of slots to put the voice files in that way. Plus, as with any breakthrough ( the ogg file method ) it will always take a while for things to catch up.
I hope PGPSW get back with a Yay or Nay on this one, as you are indeed the better candidate for jiggering and pokering the spoken warnings into short format from the sounds ( pardon the pun ) of it.
Thinks : Have you considered asking Ray of tomtomsatnav.info about offering the short form alternate files. And how do the Andy_Siddell, etc.. files on there fare re: public domain & copyright. Providing all original material is properly credited, I thought it was permissible to 'mix' a variant product, providing the integrity and usage were not in direct contravention to the purpose for which they were created.
Understandably, goes without saying really, there is the issue of monatary gain from modifying the original works - which wouldn't be of consequence on here or ttsn.info as they're free, but as for the 'Super Power Loaded Utils Disc' Sellers on eBay.....there's the rub!!!!
Perhaps these are also areas which I should rely on your guidance & experience though, Andy. Keeping me' fingers crossed tho'.
Joined: May 24, 2006 Posts: 167 Location: East of East & then some.....
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:26 am Post subject:
Just had to 'big up' Andy_P2002.
Got to say thanks for the tip in recommending Audacity for sound editing a few posts back.
A mate now has excerpts from You Sexy Thing pumping out his One speaker in a few choice files ( I believe in miracles Arrive, Depart You Sexy Thing, and a couple more clips bolted on to some of the camera file oggs ). & an splash screen photo of Errol. I know, I know, it is a private joke but you can do similar for private or public reasons so I had to share & add my recommendation for this software.
This was by far the easiest audio tool I ever used and I cannot wait to hand his One back....got my running shoes on and everything.
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: Hi all, still confused !!!!!
Wow i like the sounds you all have, and sorry to be a newbie at this, but i am a little computer literate, ie i have tomtom navigator 6 installed on a nokia n80, ive changed all the poi, and now have the spoken ones that say gatso 30, gatso 40 etc....( quite boring !!! ) anyway ive tried recording my own voice files for the spoken camera warnings from my nokia phone, they are amr files, so i convert them to ogg and then what do i do with them, as i believe you need 16 custom warnings?
Also i notice you have changed your depart voices etc to your own !!! wow how did you do all that, would much rather hear my voice than tomtoms or celebrity etc...
Realy hope somebody can help me as this been bugging me for days... any detailed instructions would be superb, i no uve read the instructions on here but just need a little more detailed.
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:01 am Post subject:
Hirvevarra wrote:
I hope PGPSW get back with a Yay or Nay on this one, as you are indeed the better candidate for jiggering and pokering the spoken warnings into short format from the sounds ( pardon the pun ) of it.
Thinks : Have you considered asking Ray of tomtomsatnav.info about offering the short form alternate files. And how do the Andy_Siddell, etc.. files on there fare re: public domain & copyright. Providing all original material is properly credited, I thought it was permissible to 'mix' a variant product, providing the integrity and usage were not in direct contravention to the purpose for which they were created.
PGPSW have just given the go ahead for me to edit up a new full set from their ones. I'll do it over Xmas, and hopefully they will host them.
Also I've just read Ray's Terms and Conditions and it does seem that it is OK to distribute his ones so long as they are not charged for and you "INCLUDE IN FULL ANY LICENSE AGREEMENT OR COPYRIGHT NOTICE THAT ACCOMPANIED ANY FILE OR APPLICATION IF YOU DISTRIBUTE THEM".
(Please note, Pirate3000 if you are reading this!).
Not sure how well editing them would go down, though. I'd better ask...
I have spoken with Ray in the past (when he hosted my "alternative" speed camera icons after PGPSWorld stopped bundling them with the database downloads), but the last time I emailed him (when I offered him the modified versions when TT changed the colour pallette) I didn't get a reply.
The other problem with his ones is that on a cursory glance through the Andy/liz/Vikki camera alerts, I haven't seen a spoken "twenty" anywhere. Maybe I'll have to try to unpick the actual navigation voices to see if there is a "twenty yards" I can nick it from.
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Hi all, still confused !!!!!
readroo wrote:
ive tried recording my own voice files for the spoken camera warnings from my nokia phone, they are amr files, so i convert them to ogg and then what do i do with them, as i believe you need 16 custom warnings?
Also i notice you have changed your depart voices etc to your own !!! wow how did you do all that, would much rather hear my voice than tomtoms or celebrity etc...
Brian
Must admit I don't know of the .amr format, must be Nokia's own...
You would need to find some software to convert them to .ogg format, maybe Nokia's own Phone management software suite can convert to something more normal like .wav, and then re-convert to .ogg in Audacity?
Certainly neither Audacity or Adobe's pro-software Audition recognise .amr.
It would probably be easier to record directly onto your PC if you have access to a microphone? Cheap PC ones can be got for £1-2 these days, which would be good enough for this application.
Just download "Audacity" set it up to record from the PC microphone, edit out any silence at the front and end, save each one as .ogg (22050Hz) with the right filenames and away you go.
You say 16 soundfiles....
You actually need 24, named as:-
pocketgps_uk_gatso_20
pocketgps_uk_gatso_30
pocketgps_uk_gatso_40
pocketgps_uk_gatso_50
pocketgps_uk_gatso_60
pocketgps_uk_gatso_70
pocketgps_uk_gatso_tba
pocketgps_uk_gatso_var
pocketgps_uk_mobile_20
pocketgps_uk_mobile_30
pocketgps_uk_mobile_40
pocketgps_uk_mobile_50
pocketgps_uk_mobile_60
pocketgps_uk_mobile_70
pocketgps_uk_mobile_tba
pocketgps_uk_redlight
pocketgps_uk_specs_20
pocketgps_uk_specs_30
pocketgps_uk_specs_40
pocketgps_uk_specs_50
pocketgps_uk_specs_60
pocketgps_uk_specs_70
pocketgps_uk_specs_tba
pocketgps_uk_temp
...although some could be the same voicefile (e.g. just "Warning, Gatso") duplicated.
They all go into the same map folder as the ov2 data files and the .bmp icon files.
Finally, when you say "depart voices", do you mean the actual navigation voice?
If so, that is quite a bit of work (59 individual voice commands need to be recorded - "Go straight on", "After", "Keep Left" etc.), but there is a fantastic, step by step tutorial written by a guy called Graeme Lucas HERE
Follow that and you should have no problems, but as I say, it's a lot of work!!
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:16 am Post subject:
Argggg!
'readroo' - you have posted the same question in at least three different places. Makes it really difficult for people to make coherent replies that don't overlap each other!
Joined: May 24, 2006 Posts: 167 Location: East of East & then some.....
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:28 am Post subject:
Great advice, Andy. I have to admit not knowing if ogg worx on N80, still. If I understand correct, it is the data.chk method in use with 'readroo' ( 16 files is about right for that way, I believe ) and he wants to insert his own voice files. I think..........
PS. I've done a version of Andy_Siddell @ 22500 ( used generic where missing file - 20's, tbs & var ) for me to test. Compliments to the chef - Audacity rocks
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 19638 Location: Blackpool , Lancs
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:06 am Post subject:
Hirvevarra wrote:
I have to admit not knowing if ogg worx on N80, still. If I understand correct, it is the data.chk method in use with 'readroo'
I have not heard of anyone who has got the ogg warning sounds working on the mobile, so would say you are stuck with the data.chk method from PGPSW or Ray's Site. I don't think it is possible to insert your own voice into the data.chk file, for the simple reason the program that supports "cooking" the data.chk file doesn't appear to be TT6 compatible. - Mike
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: Hi and thanx to all of you
Hi and many thanx to you all, i do apologise gain for posting 3 times, i just wanted to get my post into the correct forum, and you guys certainly no what you are talking about,
I do hope theese will work on my n80, and yes i do have a convertor to convert amr to ogg and very good it is, but as you all say maybe its the data.chk file that need changing or cant be changed, im still a little confused but hopefully i will get there !!
If any of you find a direct link to your own spoken voices files that work ok on a n80, Please let me no, as there must be some way to make it work even if its just for the poi camera alerts, not to worried about the navigation voice changing to mine, but wow that would be good.
Look forward to your replys and again many thanx and merry xmas to you all.
Joined: May 24, 2006 Posts: 167 Location: East of East & then some.....
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:32 am Post subject:
Oh Dear!! Up to early this morrow....
Andy, the post I mentioned 2 up from here is about 5 up from there. DOH!!
Ray ( Mr. Flanagan ) says Yup. He has carte blanche on the three alert files he offers and will happily post alongside in their shortened form. I have Andy Siddell to go, but alas, no 20 to work with so generic for that, tba & variable. I know not the early file of which you speak, but if you can find a 20, that'd be Grrrrrrrrreat (insert Tony Tiger icon HERE ).
Shall I continue with the other two voices or are you on it and finished by here?
Also, just to clarify, the shortened form is "Gatso 60", isn't it? No "Warning", "Ahead" or "Miles Per Hour". Just so we're pulling in the same direction, you see!! Diolch.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: .chk files not working on TT Navigator 5
I have a Mio Digiwalker 339 running Pocket PC 4.20.1081 and Navigator 5.0. I have looked for the correct .chk file to download and there is no file available for Pocket PC 4.20..I have tried 2850,4890 to see if they work and I am still only getting default sound options. Please help as I feel I am 90 % there.
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 19638 Location: Blackpool , Lancs
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject:
If you have TomTom Navigator version 5 installed and working then the ogg file method should work on your device (although I suspect you will be the first to try it) - we do know this new warning sound method works fine on TTN5,0 and newer. Please have a read through THIS Post for details, the part you need is under the section referring to the data.chk file method - Mike
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:
Hirvevarra...
I don't know how I missed your last post
I have had a reply from Ray too, and got the go-ahead for us to edit his files.
Could you possibly PM me with details of what you have done so far, as "Mullet" has also done some work with the Liz voice and I'd like to avoid us all repeating eachother's work if possible!
Many thanks
Andy
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Thinks : Have you considered asking Ray of tomtomsatnav.info about offering the short form alternate files. And how do the Andy_Siddell, etc.. files on there fare re: public domain & copyright. Providing all original material is properly credited, I thought it was permissible to 'mix' a variant product, providing the integrity and usage were not in direct contravention to the purpose for which they were created.
Oh Dear!! Up to early this morrow....
