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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:35 am Post subject:
999tommo wrote:
Working in law as I do, I wouldn't like to state something which I cannot prove.
Nah, don't worry it's OK mate. This is the Internet - you can say anything you like. I read it on the Internet so it must be true. _________________ Gone fishing!
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:
Still nothing I'm afraid. Thr French Ministry of Transport don't seem to reply to their emails very quickly. Would have been as well sending them snail mail (or escargot mail I suppose). I have found references to GPS systems with databases of fixed sites being legal, but it appears that having databases of mobile radar sites is a bit of a grey area. Will post any information I receive. _________________ Tommo...
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:40 am Post subject:
Safer then not to use the Camera Database and not drive like a pillock perhaps??
Fairs fair though that being on the "Wrong side of the road" maybe we should be concentrating that extra bit anyways
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:31 am Post subject:
I've used my tt go 700 in France recently and had no problems with the police.
Some even joked with me,, about driving around Paris, trying to follow directions from TT Go. Your in the lap of the gods driving around the 'Arc de Triumph'
One even told me 'Good Luck' and left laughing!!!!! 8O 8O
Safer then not to use the Camera Database and not drive like a pillock perhaps??
Fairs fair though that being on the "Wrong side of the road" maybe we should be concentrating that extra bit anyways
Lovely autoroutes in Northern France are worthy of 90-100mph all day long. Clear for miles. :D
Quite agree though - never drive like a pillock, but I don't define a little speeding as being a pillock. Other's view will differ no doubt.
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject:
marc777 wrote:
Lovely autoroutes in Northern France are worthy of 90-100mph all day long. Clear for miles.
I must agree, but they're not just in the north. I don't even mind paying for toll roads as the quality of the road, lack of hold-ups and distinct lack of other traffic make it a pleasure to drive there. Drivers lane discipline is superb too. Of course I don't quite manage 90-100mph, but a legal 80 (in good weather) still gets you places quickly. The worst part of taking a driving holiday in France is the drive from home to your intended ferry crossing in the UK. _________________ Tommo...
Joined: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 94 Location: God knows!! Ask Jane
Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 12:30 am Post subject:
marc777 wrote:
Quite agree though - never drive like a pillock, but I don't define a little speeding as being a pillock. Other's view will differ no doubt.
A little speeding over here maybe, any speeding over there in France I would consider to be on the pillock side personally.
And take it steady you can take in the fantastic surroundings.
I'll bet the French police have had thier fill of UK plated cars being a big cause of accidents within 50kms of the ports.
It's probably the same around our ports with all the ex-eastern bloc cars tearing over here for biulding contracts
This isssue of whether or not to keep the French speed camera locations on the Tom Tom is a bit puzzling.
Are we to assume then that if one is stopped by a French traffic cop he will commandeer your unit, and either go through all the POI's or connect it to a computer and check every file? I don't think so - for a start it would mean that every cop would have to be familiar with every type of SatNav device on the market.
As it happens I have driven in France for many years and find their speed limits much more sensible than ours - eg they have different limits for different hazards, like slowing you down when a slip road joins the main road etc. Their drivers are pretty damn good at staying in their lane except when overtaking too- the only outside lane (wannabe speed cop) hogs you encounter over there are English!
little speeding over here maybe, any speeding over there in France I would consider to be on the pillock side personally.
And take it steady you can take in the fantastic surroundings.
I'll bet the French police have had thier fill of UK plated cars being a big cause of accidents within 50kms of the ports.
Your right to be wary within a few miles of prot.
But I'm talking 1,000 miles to the South of France where, as lovely as the countrside is, you do want to get there as quickly and safely as possible.
It's great here in the Correze at the moment. Jane is most helpful. Found the camera database (alertegps one) quite accurate.
And we had a few days in Germany on the way down - found I was still accelerating at 145 mph when I had to slow to take the exit. :D It's the only fun left when you get old _________________ TTGO 700 (dead)
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject:
AT LAST....THE RESULT........
Today I received a reply to my email which I sent to the French Ministry of Transport. I have copied the text directly from the email, together with my translation using Google's Translator. Part of the email contains an embedded section which I can't copy and paste, so I have re-typed the French text and translated that. This forms a question raised to the Government Minister, followed by his response.
M. Michel Zumkeller attire l'attention de M. le ministre de l'equipement, des transports, de l'amenagement du territoire, du tourisme et de la mer sur le generalisation de l'usage du GPS dans les vehicules. Cette technologie permet au conducteur de se reperer sur un plan d'anticiper des complications du type bouchons ou travaux, de prevoir un temps de parcours, etc. Dans une optique de sensibilisation, la technologie peut egalement permettre d'annoncer les radars automatiques et, ainsi, d'intimer une plus grande prudence au conducteur. Il souhaite connaitre son opinion sur cette application.
Mr. Michel Zumkeller draws the attention of Mr. Minister for the equipment, transport, tourism, the regional planning and sea to the generalization of the use of the GPS in the vehicles. This technology makes it possible the driver to be located on a plan to anticipate complications of the type stop or work, to envisage a time of course, etc With a view to sensitizing, technology can also make it possible to announce the automatic radars and, thus, to intimate a greater prudence to the driver. It wishes to know its opinion on this application.
And his response.....
French Transport Minister wrote:
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REPONSE
Les systèmes embarqués de guidage peuvent constituer une aide susceptible d’améliorer tant la fluidité du trafic que la sécurité routière, pour autant qu’ils ne détournent pas leur utilisateur de l’attention permanente nécessaire à l’acte de conduite.
L’annonce, par ces systèmes, de l’implantation des dispositifs de contrôle automatique, information publique par ailleurs largement diffusée, peut constituer un rappel périodique du respect des limitations de vitesse contribuant à une meilleure prévention des accidents.
Il est toutefois important de rappeler que la loi du 12 juin 2003 renforçant la lutte contre la violence routière a prévu une aggravation de la répression des opérations de commercialisation de détecteurs de radars. Il s’agit désormais de délits prévus par les articles L.413-2 à L.413-5 du code de la route, punis de deux ans d’emprisonnement et 30.000 euros d’amende, outre les peines complémentaires pouvant viser les personnes morales qui s’y livrent.
Depuis quelques mois, plusieurs sociétés commerciales prétendent diffuser des dispositifs respectueux de ces nouvelles dispositions. Il appartiendra aux juridictions saisies d’éventuelles poursuites à l’encontre de ces sociétés de déterminer si lesdits dispositifs sont ou non de nature ou présentés comme étant de nature à déceler la présence ou perturber le fonctionnement des systèmes de contrôle.
Which when translated reads.......
RESPONSE
The embarked systems of guidance can constitute a help likely to improve the fluidity of the traffic as well as the road safety, in so far as they do not divert their user of the permanent attention necessary to the act of control.
The advertisement, by these systems, of the device installation of inspecting automatic, public information in addition largely disseminated, can constitute a periodic recall of the respect of the speed limits contributing to a better prevention of the accidents.
It is however important to recall that the law of June 12, 2003 reinforcing the fight against road violence envisaged an aggravation of the repression of the operations of marketing of detectors of radars. They are from now on offences envisaged by the L.413-2 articles in L.413-5 of the highway code, punished two years of imprisonment and 30,000 euros of fine, in addition to the complementary sorrows being able to aim at the people morals who devote themselves to it.
For a few months, several commercial companies have claimed to diffuse respectful devices of these new provisions. It will belong to the jurisdictions seized of possible continuations against these companies to determine so the aforementioned devices are or not of nature or presented as being likely to detecting the presence or disturbing the operation of the systems of control.
So in laymans terms, the French Minister is saying that GPS based speed camera databases can promote road safety. He clearly states that articles which detect or interfere, are banned with quite a hefty penalty (around 20 grand and two years in the poky - wow). He also adds though, and this is the crucial point, that companies are advertising devices which claim to get around the laws. If it cannot be decided whether the article detects or interferes, it will be seized for examination and possible criminal proceedings.
I think from that, I will stick to my plan of taking my TTOne on holiday to France this year, complete with French camera databases.
Hopefully this has cleared things up. _________________ Tommo...
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